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Postby jweegens » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:11 pm

My name is Jeff Weegens. I work for an engineering firm in Illinois that recently purchased the Scan Station 2. This is the first time anyone in our firm has tried 3D modeling and we are learning that it is a slow process. With the limited amount of training that I have had with Cyclone software, I am hoing to find easier and more cost efficient ways to model our data. Thanks in advance for anyone willing to help a "newbie" out.
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Re: Greetings from Illinois, USA

Postby stevenramsey » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:36 pm

You would possibly need to explain what you are trying to model, It sounds like you have a generic training problem I would strongly suggest getting some additional training from Leica.

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Re: Greetings from Illinois, USA

Postby jweegens » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:38 pm

I am sorry for being so vague. We are using the scanner for downtown urban streetscapes projects, building facades, waste water treatment plants, and scanning bridges for flood studies.

We've tried to get our company to send us to Leica training, but they are hesitant. I guess after several blown budgets, our cry for help might be heard.
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Re: Greetings from Illinois, USA

Postby stevenramsey » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:52 pm

Looks like you need a broad spectrum of knowledge from Plant modeling to simple Cad drawing skills through to visualizations.

To start of a scanning business with all the hardware tools you also need the training on the software tools. This is essential. Tell your bosses that it will not be a waste of money.
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Re: Greetings from Illinois, USA

Postby dgichicago » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:18 pm

Welcome Jeff,
It is always nice to see a fellow Illinoian on the site. As for the modeling check out some of the links in the modeling software. We have been using scanners since 2001 in Chicago for similar projects and depending on the accuracies of the project and what the models will be used for we use different modeling software and techniques. Our model accuracy can be quite different from a streetscape project (+/-1/2" or 1cm) to a plant facility (+/-1/8" or 3mm). Different programs have different advantages.

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Re: Greetings from Illinois, USA

Postby James Hall » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:43 pm

Greetings Jeff.
As you have probably discovered 3D modeling and using laser scanners require more then a few hours of instruction and a book to learn and turn around jobs in a cost effective manner.

If you can get to some training seminars that can help, also knowing that not all the instructions the Cyclone manual are as helpful as they could be. Practice is the only way to know if something will work.

The best piece of general advice I could offer to someone starting out is to know what your client is expecting as a deliverable for the separate disciplines you listed.

Knowing that your client may only need a rough surface model for hydrology to fill in the gaps in a USGS Topo map can make your life easier and there’s. The files you give them may only need one percent of the data your scanner can collect. Converting that 10 million point file in to a sample grid with a point every 10 feet may be all they need and can save you time in the office.

The deliverable should be well defined and understood by both parties. Find out how your models, point files or surface files will be used.

I have worked on architectural projects, urban streetscapes, building facades, and scanning bridges. Waste water treatment plants are not something I’ve had to tackle yet.

Some of our clients only want 2D plans and elevations turned around on compressed time tables. Other want modeled structures to run interference checks on. Then again still others what models compatible with Revit and various 3D BIM packages for rendering. All theses require different times to process.

Since you are new to 3D I would suggest getting a good grasp on changing UCS’s and how they affect State plane coordinate systems.
Learn which objects can be edited in Cyclone and transferred back and forth to other cad packages for editing. Some operations will turn things like pipes and I-beams into mesh objects wile other will not transfer at all.
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Re: Greetings from Illinois, USA

Postby Nick M » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:28 pm

As a reader of this forum for the last 6 months you've come to the right place. I've been dedicated to scanning for a couple of years now and still learning something new daily. You're not going to get efficient overnight as previously stated by others but persevere and you'll get there. As every project raises its own challenges you will always need a new workaround but if you you search this forum you will notice many of your questions have already been answered.

I don't think anyone will tell you how to go from start to finish on a project as this is a competive industry with a lot of companies tying up a lot of time and money in ip and r&d but this forum is a wealth of information if you ever get stuck.

Enjoy the challenge and knowing that there is someone there to help. Sadly I only discovered this forum about 6 months ago so it has been fun.

As stated any tutorials you can find (your distributor should help you out here and also provide some training) are of assistance in getting started but nothing beats sinking you're teeth into a live project.

Happy reading!
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